39 Replies to “Archery | Injuries and Overbowing”

  1. This is exactly why I have both recurve and compound bows. I shoot my recurves until my muscles get tired and/or sore, then I shoot my compound. Works a champ. 😉

  2. Sharp pain in my bow holding shoulder brought me here. I'm new was hoping I would get used to the movements and get better. Now I'm thinking my form is part of the problem.

  3. 7:23 yeah I see that I do that every once in a while without noticing, I shot my entire first tournament like that. I wish someone had told me cause I had the worst pain in my shoulders for almost a week. whats worse was my GF (who knows the sport way better than I do) noticed and didn't say anything. Moral of the story, if you notice someone doing that, help them out so that they don't screw their shoulder up.

  4. Answered my question before I asked it. Apparently I was taught improper form in my teenage years. Mind you, I haven’t picked up a bow in at least a decade…but in recent years I’ve began developing an interest in making things for myself and my family, including bows.

    You’ve got awesome and informative videos and I can’t wait to finish the entire series!

  5. In my opinion if you want to go hunting, but you can't handle a 40-50lb bow, you should hunt with a rifle until you can use a 40-50lb bow.

  6. The tip of my middle finger has been numb for a few hours after about 100 arrows with my #45 recurve that I’m comfortable with.. think It’s a problem with my draw ( I do 3 under), my cheap shooting glove, or both? Thanks as always you’re awesome.

  7. Aren't you mixing the rhomboids with latissimus dorsi and teres major ?
    (Rhomboids are between the medial edge of the scapulae and the spinal vertebrae).

  8. I hope that I didn't get a bow with too much pull weight because it is a 50 pound pull weight and I am 5 foot, 10 inches tall. My bow is primarily for training since I don't hunt and we don't have a bow club in the area. I didn't want to go over the 50 pound limit due to my height and weight.

  9. Great video.

    Im a new archer. I bought a 45lbs samak sage. My groups have shrunk over the last 3 months, but I wasnt satisfide with my progress. I decided to be honest with my self about draw weight. I deciced to hold at full draw for a complete 5 seconds before my release. I couldnt even hit the bag!
    To much weight! I dont have the money for new limbs and arrows tuned for them.
    Heres my plan. Once my groups come back to normal with a 5 second pause, ill move to 10 seconds. Ill keep moving up in 5 second increments till I can hold my form for 30 seconds inbetween shots with out adverse affects to my accuracy.

    What do you think?

    Also, I noticed that when I started this 5 second pause thing all my misses were high, way high. Any reason for this?

    I love your videos and I would really value your imput.

  10. Just had a recent chat with a youngster about 'front shoulder pain' on one of your more current vids, and lo, here's an old vid about injury.
    Funny how different physiologies react differently to the same movement. High draw technique caused me shoulder issues both front and rear. On the other hand, a rotational draw with the forearm following the arrow plane alleviated rear shoulder pain, engaged back muscles more efficiently and aided in setting the front shoulder correctly. It also provides me with a much more stable path to a consistent anchor.
    The archers (I know) who 'high draw' all shoot low poundage target recurve. Stick a higher poundage (>40 lbs) trad bow(62" and>) in their hand for an extended period and soon enough the dramatic 'high draw' flourish and low anchor make way for a rotational draw with a higher anchor. And yet the fundamentals are still the same.
    Great vid.

  11. Is there a video that goes in depth on how to set rhomboid and lats muscles and how to stop that drawing hand shoulder popping up?

  12. Compound bow companies make bows that go from 7 lb to 70 lb . Why don't recurve bow companies do the same thing

  13. Thanks so much for this video!
    I started on my birthday last Sunday and jumped straight in with classes and shot almost everyday.
    I went to work and then exactly 1 week after starting my bow shoulder has this sharp pain when I try to go into shooting form, without a bow in hand.
    I used so many different bows, club bows, and I definitely know my shoulder wasn’t always relaxed and I was pushing.
    Now I just have to rest and when I go back lessen the weight, keep my bow shoulder relaxed, and I should be fine.
    Right?

  14. Hey Sensei, What do you think a safe draw weight would be to use consistently though till about 60 years of age if you maintain your practice weekly? 😮 40-45lb seems to be the consensus that ive seen around, most archers i know who are 45-60 of age doing recurve for a hobby are using 38-45lb limbs and Korean archers think between 40-45 is a sweet spot for consistency

    What would be your take on this? If i remember correctly, you were using 40lb limbs aswell 😮

  15. In your experience as an instructor, have you come across bow hand injuries caused by arrows breaking mid-shot?

  16. my "favorite" archery injury i have had is a rather large cut from when the bottom limb of my bow snapped and got launched into my arm. that is when i started to check the limbs on my bows before and after every shooting session.

  17. Bonus if you can find a Physio who is also a keen archer. 😉
    A lot of archery injuries can result from not only poor form, but poor scapular control. Don’t want to shamelessly plug myself, but those in the mount waverley area with shoulder issues, please feel free to call balance physiotherapy on 98881811

  18. A coupla years back, I was shooting more than 200+ arrows every day. My only other physical activity was daily walking. I believe this potentially led to my suffering rotator cuff tendinitis; with symptoms of severe 'clunking' `noises` EACH TIME I lifted my arm in everyday activities, and with drastically reduced arm strength in everyday activities. However, there was hardly any noticeable pain to speak of. With this scary 'clunking' following normal common movement ranges of my String Drawing shoulder, I put a stop to backyard shooting, lest I contribute to `real` and permanent damage. Some weeks later, I again gave shooting a try: but this time, I drastically modified my way for withdrawing an arrow from my hip quiver. (you see, the first I started noticing the onset of 'clunking' in my String Shoulder, was each time I withdrew an arrow from my quiver. It only developed into 'clunking' throughout other more-normal motions later, after I started noticing it here, first) Through modification of arrow withdrawing, I had successfully halted the one-for-one clunk per arrow 'retrieval'. But my shoulder continued to mis-behave when NOT shooting. This is why for most of the last two years, I have voluntarily ceased archery shooting. For just over the last month, I have returned: doing shoulder exercises and shooting from a 15# fibreglass kiddie stick bow; leaving my 'proper' 36# Olympic recurve un-used. Currently, the String shoulder is still of drastically reduced arm strength and can suffer the most debilitating bust of pain anytime it gets bumped accidentally. Not only did I significantly modify the way for retrieving arrows from my hip quiver, but I significantly modified the way I draw the bow. I studied the way J.C. Valladont moved 'his' drawing arm, copied it, but additionally held my bow arm equally low-down; level with my drawing arm. . . . . . . . . . This has had the effect of making my Tricep participate more and my shoulder participate less until I reach full draw: where I anchor and have my back take on most of the load. . . . I am totally pain-free when shooting in this manner. I have no clunking noises either. I have full strength with this direction of motion — It's the general daily activities where I can [sometimes] cop indignant and most debilitating busts of pain for the high-treason of 'not being on guard'. . . . . . . . Nu Sensei's mention of the rotational angular draw (2018 video) has captured my attention ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Now I have taken it to my soul, too, it seems. To me, it just makes good horse sense ! ! ! Over the last coupla days, I have applied a somewhat exaggerated and purposeful angular draw into my way of drawing with the 15# stick bow. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Currently, I feel strong, and feel like I can return to my proper 36# target recurve. It is my anxiety and terror and belief that my shoulder can not, in fact, take the load, even now, two years later, which makes sure I shall not enter into such folly. Although I constantly think about the angular draw now, and watch for it on YouTube's "Archery TV" matchplay, somehow I suspect that I always applied an unconscious level of small-scale angular draw throughout my whole archery life. Looking back, it just seems natural that I may have had been doing it all along.

  19. I sometimes feel a strain on the joint opposite from my elbow on my bow hand (the outer part of the arm), usually around 90 arrows shot, am I doing something wrong or is this normal? I have been shooting 30 pound for about 6 months now.

  20. I just started archery as a beginner. My first bow has 40 lbs on it. And now I can't handle the shoulder pain. I had to rest my shoulder and train my muscle after it got better. Because I don't have much money to buy a new bow with lighter draw weight.

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  22. Man I love your videos. This was very helpful in helping understanding the correct way to draw the bow.

  23. Hi NUSensei. I have been researching on how to cure an archer's elbow. Do you have any recommendation to it? I enjoy archery so much but the pain comes with it feels so hard…

  24. This is SO super helpful, thank you!! This helped me nail (or, at least, work on nailing) how to use my back muscles correctly. Really can't tell you how much I appreciate your videos. As someone who can't afford coaching I just am so glad to have found your work.

  25. I watched this with my class mate that has no knowledge on archery and she said “why didn’t he just shot the bow nothings gonna happen” then i said “you cant the bow will break,it’s called “dry firing” and she said “dry firing?theres no water” slaps my face

  26. I recall 2 decades ago when the instructor got into the subject of bowhunting during the Hunter Trapper Safety course, he brought up an incident of a bow hunters nock breaking and driving this now spear-like nock through his cheek and just splitting open his face revealing teeth and bone.. I can't recall why that was brought up, but now through Sensei's teachings I suspect he was nock-pinch drawing and the instructor brought that incident up as an example of improper form and an extreme safety hazard. Sensei, do a vid of the dangers of nock-pinching with stories you've heard and pics. I'll be honest, ever since hearing of that injury in class at the age of 12 it has kept me away from archery altogether. If I had paid better attention in class on the bow safety section and how the hunter was using improper technique, I might've had an interest sooner. I'm from a muzzle-loader and modern firearm hunting family, and didn't know anyone with a serious bow, so I only really cared about firearm safety at the time and have a short attention span on subjects that don't interest me..

  27. Thank you for your videos. I started archery approx a month ago, and I borrowed a 40 pound off of a friend. Next to shooting everyday I have a hard physical job, and even next to that Im a small dude, computer nerd and lazy. I went out to buy a bow myself, and was looking for 30 pound limbs, however. Because I had been using my friends bow, the damage was done. Im now down with a pulled muscel in the shoulder, and i wasent even going Macho. Injurys are serious, and people need to be aware of the risks. Thank you, Sir.

  28. Great advice! A father and son came to the range with brand new archery equipment. The father was attempting to draw his 45# bow and his 14 y.o. son had a 25# bow. It was sad to see them struggle draw those bows, with contorted, scrunched up bodies, and wild shots completely missing the 10 yard hay bail almost every time and unable to even get close to a proper anchor. They were frustrated and were not having fun. I never saw them again — very sad.

  29. This is target archery-if you shoot the style Howard Hill made popular (which is a superior technique for hunting/war bow) you pull to draw as you lift the bow and by the time you are full draw you are on your target,
    as far as overbowing most archers are pussies today-you don't learn to draw a stiff bow overnight, it takes years to develop the muscles, and they must be maintained throughout life

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