50 Replies to “Archery | Linear & Angular Draw”

  1. I have been having issues with drawing back my bow using the straight draw method due to a connective tissue disorder that causes my shoulder (and other joints) to subluxate. The pain and damage has taken all the interest out of the sport, but after seeing this video, I picked up my bow again and tried the angular draw. It was a massive difference and kept the weight on my back instead of my shoulder. I haven’t been able to draw back that bow for quite a few years and this was the first time I was able to do so without pain and subluxation. I don’t know if this works for everyone with my issues, but it seems like it should work for me. I now feel like I can get back into the sport and thank you for putting these videos out. I probably wouldn’t have figured this out any other way and many of your videos have resurged my interest in the sport.

  2. rotational draw is the sumo-deadlift of archery. its not "better" but it helps you put the right muscles to work to perform the movement efficiently

  3. Have you studied the practice of "rotating" the hips as part of the draw. It is another variation of the rotational draw which helps in shooting a higher bow weight.

  4. I started out with straight draw, but as I rapidly moved up in draw weight I naturally developed somewhat of an angular draw, so I can attest that it is more biomechanically efficient.

  5. I feel lot of exhaustion in front of my left shoulder and left trap. I'm right handled. Anybody can tell me why? Am I overcharge that muscles or I just need to get stronger?

  6. also need for some left arm (arm keeping the bow) action analyzing. final 10-20cm movement could be downwards – like nusensei, upwards, or from right to left. of course, we can say are equal as good. we can say I learn from my teacher that way and is ok. I am a very strong human and I injured my left shoulder just playing with a 40 lbs bow. the science behind these is called biomechanic. means how the human body works. joints, muscles, angles, all.

  7. Damn I love these videos. This was a huge help for my weirdly sore draw shoulder. And yeah, I'm an over bowed noob…

  8. the two draws not equal as far as wins at the top world level. The top podium winners use the linear ( Korean, Chinese Taipei, China, Japan, etc). The only archer using the angular draw with any podium results is Brady Ellison. The angular draw makes the it much harder to keep the front bow shoulder in line since the bow draw load is pulling the front arm left or right under the bow poundage load depending on the handed shooting of the archer. The angular draw makes it harder to get the rear shoulder in line since you are doing that at the end of the shot setup when the poundage is at its highest. Then is harder to continue around to come through the clicker. The linear draw line keeps the forces in line to the aiming point and is much easier to maintain control. Especially for beginner and intermediate archers. Also as you age into your 50s and 60s, if you intend to shoot any length of time, the linear will help keep your front shoulder from injury. The angular draw will shorten your archery shooting career. I disagree that angular and NTS/ Best is widely used at the Olympic and World cup level. And I can not name any other winning archer using it aside from Brady. Lastly, good efficient archery technique uses the bones and the bone alignment for leverage instead of the muscles and back tension. This is why the linear shot wins so much more often than the angular draw. It is much easier to shoot the linear with a relaxed shot. The angular draw shot is muscle tense throughout which is fatiguing under tournament settings..

  9. Finally someone who explains it fully! All the other videos I've watched demonstrate it but I wasn't getting it. Would it work with a v or swing draw?

  10. I am a member of North Eastern Archers in Victoria and draw as I raise the bow, rather than(as most do) raise the bow then draw. Is there anything wrong with doing this?
    FYI, I can easily shoot a 90arrow scoring round(plus practice) using this technique, so I don't think fatigue is an issue.

  11. I've found angular draw makes it easier for me to keep the weight on my back muscles rather than the shoulder.

  12. Awesome video super relevant for me. I shoot a 50lb bow and I noticed especially when I was getting fatigued that I wasn’t loading the weight on my back properly so I organically started drawing angular. I’d say it loads on the back much more naturally and I’m gonna consciously practice it lol. You’re the man NuSensei. How are you liking that super kodiak?

  13. I’ve been watching this channel for years and I can’t see the benefit of some of the recent videos. Honestly could we get some more practical videos . . .

  14. Can the angular draw method be used for compound style archery using a hinge style back tension release?

  15. Thanks NuSensei, this is very timely as, after watching Brady Ellison’s recent video, I’ve been trying to work out how he uses torso rotation to initiate his draw. Angular draw and using an offset stance should encourage torso rotation. Something new to work on . 😊

  16. Oh Dear . . . . . . Ever since I watched this, I cannot get it off my mind . . . . . . . . a coupla years back, I was shooting more than 200+ arrows every day. My only other physical activity was daily walking. I believe this potentially led to my suffering rotator cuff tendinitis; with symptoms of severe 'clunking' `noises` EACH TIME I lifted my arm in everyday activities, and with drastically reduced arm strength in everyday activities. However, there was hardly any noticeable pain to speak of. With this scary 'clunking' following normal common movement ranges of my String Drawing shoulder, I put a stop to backyard shooting, lest I contribute to `real` and permanent damage. Some weeks later, I again gave shooting a try: but this time, I drastically modified my way for withdrawing an arrow from my hip quiver. (you see, the first I started noticing the onset of 'clunking' in my String Shoulder, was each time I withdrew an arrow from my quiver. It only developed into 'clunking' throughout other more-normal motions later, after I started noticing it here, first) Through modification of arrow withdrawing, I had successfully halted the one-for-one clunk per arrow 'retrieval'. But my shoulder continued to mis-behave when NOT shooting. This is why for most of the last two years, I have voluntarily ceased archery shooting. For just over the last month, I have returned: doing shoulder exercises and shooting from a 15# fibreglass kiddie stick bow; leaving my 'proper' 36# Olympic recurve un-used. Currently, the String shoulder is still of drastically reduced arm strength and can suffer the most debilitating bust of pain anytime it gets bumped accidentally. Not only did I significantly modify the way for retrieving arrows from my hip quiver, but I significantly modified the way I draw the bow. I studied the way J.C. Valladont moved 'his' drawing arm, copied it, but additionally held my bow arm equally low-down; level with my drawing arm. . . . . . . . . . This has had the effect of making my Tricep participate more and my shoulder participate less until I reach full draw: where I anchor and have my back take on most of the load. . . . I am totally pain-free when shooting in this manner. I have no clunking noises either. I have full strength with this direction of motion — It's the general daily activities where I can [sometimes] cop indignant and most debilitating busts of pain for the high-treason of 'not being on guard'. . . . . . . . Nu Sensei's mention of the circular / angular draw has captured my attention ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! Now I have taken it to my soul, too, it seems. To me, it just makes good horse sense ! ! ! Over the last coupla days, I have applied a somewhat exaggerated and purposeful angular draw into my way of drawing with the 15# stick bow. ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Currently, I feel strong, and feel like I can return to my proper 36# target recurve. It is my anxiety and terror and belief that my shoulder can not, in fact, take the load, even now, two years later, which makes sure I shall not enter into such folly. Although I constantly think about the angular draw now, and watch for it on YouTube's "Archery TV" matchplay, somehow I suspect that I always applied an unconscious level of small-scale angular draw throughout my whole archery life. Looking back, it just seems natural that I may have had been doing it all along.

  17. 11:58 Did you hit a Robin Hood shot? Lol. I'm glad I found your channel, just started back into archery after a few decades and I'm endeavoring to shoot traditional barebow. What is the barebow you used in this vid?

  18. linear draw is more of a one arm draw while angular draw involves the fore hand as well, hence easier on the body, but the gain in draw efficiency is loss in speed. one needs to be careful when using the term "efficiency".

  19. Thanks for this! I'm a beginner archer and I always get too fatigued in my shoulders to be able to practice for long.

  20. Both draws are equally in line with the arrow. Somewhat.
    2 points define a straight line. The  "angular" draw (which so many here like to refer to as) is no more curved, than a "straight draw. The illusion of the curved path hides the fact that they are both in line with the plane of the bow.
    The definitive difference between the two draws, are the utilization (or non-utilization) of the biceps. The method concentrates on the use of the large muscle groups, and minimizes (or totally discounts) the smaller muscle groups. If you haven't understood this, you have misunderstood the two methods.

  21. Thanks, NU Sensei. This explanation was one never shared with me (barebow) by my club's JOAD instructors. I'm now 67. It will be 3 yrs since I started archery (2/wk off and own). I started out with 20# limbs (no limb change yet). I pull 28.9# on my fingers. I've worked my way up to 50 to 70 arrows a session. But guess what? I've got a torn rotator cuff. So I share this with your for your more senior followers.

    P.S. keep up the good work! Perhaps you could reference the portion of this video in future productions. It might save a lot of folks, young and old, from some expensive medical bills and avoid not getting discouraged in such a great sport.

  22. Hi NUSensei. I was wondering if you can make a video about this Wedge Form.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pCejcb6DAI

    It's kinda related to Linear or Angular Draw.

  23. Cant help noticing that you are moving your draw arm slightly forward before the release then recovering for the after release "face wipe". It is particularly noticeable if one watches your elbow. I thought that was a big no no in form and reduces the power in the string.

  24. 7:00 Keyword being "exaggerated". I would just like to add that, in an actual shot process, you won't actually notice the angular draw unless you were looking for it. I've seen some professionals do it so subtly that you could easily mistake it for a linear draw in most camera angles. As nusensei said, it's about the biomechanics. Don't worry about how it looks. What's most important is using the correct muscles.

  25. Hmm, as I think about my draw, both compound and longbow, it seems my bow arm does the straight draw while my string arm moves in the rotational motion. On my compound it is almost a straight draw, but on the longbow it's much more rotational. I think I like keeping the target on my side of the riser. Not really pre aiming, but mentally setting up the shot as much as possible before drawing. In the rotational draw, it looks like the riser starts left of the target and moves to the right of the target during the draw. Does anyone find this interrupts their focus on the target? I'm curious. Will have to try it out next practice session.

  26. Excellent video! I just started trying angular draw this week and have noticed a big difference in my shot placement and far less fatigue over time. Plus, it’s almost impossible not to use back tension with angular draw. I’m a believer!

  27. WOW! Thank you so much for making this video! Lot of good points that I have not heard before. Great perspective.

  28. This video could not have been better timed.
    I started shooting just a couple of months ago and am still ironing out, one problem at a time, the faults and inconsistencies in my form and technique.

    Just this morning I noticed that I'd fallen into the habit of using this angular draw (without, of course, knowing that it was called this, or even that it was a thing).
    I'd found that it just felt a more natural way to move while drawing, but thought I was doing something wrong in not using a straight draw.

    So thanks for enlightening me that it's not a problem I need to correct.
    I can now focus on all the stuff that actually is wrong.

  29. huh

    I just noticed that I'm weird: I usually use a straight draw, but when i get to the point that I can't do that anymore I unconsciously switch to an angular draw
    never noticed that before

  30. how do you know when its time to replace a target is with when the arrow is going half way through or fully through?

  31. Great information, thanks.  "another carbon arrow"  had to laugh when I heard it go, that's what you get for being so good that you fill up the center!?

  32. NUSensei I really enjoy your channel! I notice that you and many top competition archers sometimes raise the your draw arm elbow just after finishing the draw. You do it at 10:27, 10:33, 10:40, and 11:25. Nothing else seems to move during motion. Can you explain the purpose? (I'm only a bow hunter, but I am curious and fascinated by competition technique).

  33. hello ive being interested in archery for a while and was wondering what type of bow to buy then suddenly i got this weird question in my head. WHY DON'T MODERN BOWS USE SPRINGS TO PRODUCE MORE FORCE? i've researched online but couldnt find a single professional bow using springs. i mean springs could produce much more power than wood so why dont they use springs? would you mind explaining why that is? thank you.

  34. Nu – I'm having an issue where my bow-arm shoulder pops forward when doing a linear draw. As a result I injured my left shoulder during my first year of archery. Do you have any suggestions on how best to avoid having this happen? I notice you've mentioned the angular draw as one possibility, but I'm not 100% sure on how this works. Any tips?

  35. Hi NuSenei. I've been following your videos for a couple of years now, since starting archery. Thank you for all the exceptional guidance thus far. Long may it continue. Your videos have become both educational and inspirational, especially with how your club incident was dealt with IRL and online! One question with this particular video… would an angular draw not put an unusual force on the limbs (and/or riser) in comparison to a straight draw or is all pivotal force to be placed on the palm/grip. Would this not in turn distort the limbs or a malleable grip over time? I should emphasise that I am as much a novice in archery, as I am in physics!

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