S3 Archery – Draw Techniques

S3 Archery – Draw Techniques

hey Joe here from s3 archery and it's been about three or four weeks since we posted a video so I wanted to make sure that we got some new content out there for all you viewers out there so sorry about the long wait we were actually Dan and I ordered up to Bob Lee custom recurve bows five or six seven weeks ago can't remember actually how long it's been but I know that we were expecting to receive the bows in the last week or two so we were holding off on putting videos out there so we could do a first impressions product reviews of the new Bob Lee's so there's a my boat coming which is the Bob Lee Legacy and then Dan has the brand new Bob Lee natural coming so my bow is a 47 pound at 29 1/2 inches and Dan's will be 47 pounds at 28 inches just because of our different draw lengths but same poundage basically for each of our draw lengths so that should be arriving by Monday or Tuesday really I mean we thought we would be having them this weekend and be posting a video but obviously didn't happen I'm sorry there's ton of mosquitoes out here but it obviously didn't happen so hopefully it'll arrive on Monday or Tuesday of next week and then we'll get some videos posted over Labor Day weekend so we'll do really a first impressions over Labor Day first shots with them will never have a really shot with them ever so it could be interesting but we want to get those out there there's not a ton of videos out there on Bob Lee's so we'll post as many as possible with these new bows we really have high hopes for them so what I wanted to do though today is I wanted to talk about different draw methods really in traditional archery and really there's three primary techniques there's the swing draw there's a straight arm draw and then there's like a hybrid between the tool so wanted to go really method by method talk about them show you what they look like and just give you more material more content that you can try different things with your archery and find out it works best for you so I'll try my best not to put personal opinions in there and not try to direct you any direction just give you basic information give it a shot see what works best and if we can help you improve your archery great so let's go through each method and talk about them one by one so stick around we have some fun today hopefully you'll learn something and hopefully clean a few few arrows as well alright so let's start high level let's talk about the three different draw methods really if they're if they're will if you will so what we have is at first we have the swing draw so let me just take an arrow out here just just in case and what we've got is with a swing draw it literally is what it sounds like it is so what it means is as you're swinging the bow up you're drawing it at the same time so without pulling the string if you're looking at your target as you're pulling up with the bow your hand is actually coming back and in theory you'll get right where you want to be aiming about two or three inches before your finger hits your anchor point so then the very last two inches or so are just pulling through with your right arm with your string arm and then the shot just goes off this is beneficial for the instinctive archer for the aerial archer when a bird will go up or a target if you will and it comes up instantaneous rather than if you have like a straight arm method putting your bow up and then trying to pull back and shoot that just takes too much time with a swing arm swing draw shooter as the birds going up you're pulling back and by the time you get on the bird you're ready to go or on the target you're ready to go so really the benefit of the swing draw from a hunting perspective or from an aerial perspective is being able to release the basically the moment you get on target so that's a huge benefit another benefit of the swing draw is as you're pulling up and drawing at the same time there's quite a bit of pressure and force on your front shoulder on your bow arm shoulder so why that's a good thing really is when you're drawing you're actually pushing the bow out and that locks the shoulder down and with really one of the cons with the straight arm draw is you can put your arm out and your shoulders good but as you try to pull if your shoulder collapses it can come in and then you're changing your draw length and you're changing your form whereas with the swing draw it's very unlikely that as you're coming up there's already a lot of pressure on your shoulder and it naturally locks it in place so you might find that you have a much firmer more positive lock up with the front shoulder when you do a swing draw so that's really the swing draw and actually I'll do some demos right after I talk about the three different methods just because I only have two arrows with me right now so all you have them to go back all the time so the next method is the straight arm draw and once again it is exactly what what it sounds like straight arm draw is you actually bring the bow up with your straight arm get on target and then you pull back to anchor and then you let it go so benefits of the straight arm draw is really you for an instinctive Archer I might get some comments on this video for this but instinctive perspective it's actually a distraction to have the straight arm to have the arrow tip out in front of you you kind of have a tendency to start aiming with the tip almost like a gap shooter would but if you are a gap shooter this is the primary method you're going to see 99% of gap shooters shooting with a straight arm draw and the reason for that is you actually do use your tip as an aiming mechanism so if I was shooting at you I bring up the bow I get the tip right where I want it to be with the gap and then when I pull back the tip just stays right where I want it release a shot and it makes it an extremely accurate method of shooting Wow for aerial shooting it's it's just going to be too slow you won't be able to get it done it is a like I said effective method a lot of 3d shoots when you go out and you see traditional shooters you're going to see a lot of traditional shooters doing the straight-arm method where they get on target they pull up and they sit there for two three seconds aiming and then when they're happy with whether the tip is on relative to the target they'll pull back get the anchor and shoot so that's really straight arm method like I said a con of the straight arm is if you have too heavy of a bow for you and you don't really realize it because there's no pressure on your shoulder to begin with as you pull back your shoulder can actually collapse up and you can end up looking like this when you shoot obviously very bad form you can't be consistent with distance control so there's some cons there positives though is in the benefits is that the accuracy of having a straight arm draw if you're a gap shooter clearly outweighs that risk of having your shoulder come up so those are the first two methods and then the third method is really just a hybrid of those two and someone who I look to as a perfect example of this is Byron Ferguson so what this hybrid is is it's basically a swing draw but then you stop short of your anchor when you get on target so you're actually only holding maybe 60% the weight and then you start doing a bit more of a gap shoot so it locks in the shoulder so you don't have to worry about the shoulder coming back but at the same time you're not coming up and shooting at the same time and you're able to gap shoot still because your arrow is out there a bit more so let's talk about that see what it looks like real quick so this would be more of a hybrid so as I pull up I'm letting the bow come back but I'm about here and then I finish the draw finally with just your right arm but the left shoulder is already been locked in you put pressure on it it's not pressure free like a straight arm draw where there's nothing here now there's everything as you're coming up it is expanding so you can see the string angles different as I came up but then I stopped short and then I just complete the draw to finish the shot and if you want to see somebody Byron Ferguson is a fantastic example this he does it every single shot he'll basically do like a three-quarter draw stopped short and then finish the draw and shoot so this is kind of a best of both worlds if you will in the sense of you are able to lock in the front shoulder like you would with a swing draw but you're also able to gap shoot and get your tip out there of the arrow to the tip of the arrow in your vision so you can gap shoot more effectively and then also a benefit of this technique is that you can rather than with a swing draw we are basically timing and everything's getting in there at the same time with the hybrid method you do stop short and you can basically activate only the right-hand side so rather than having a tendency of when you shoot doing like a push-pull and you kind of explode like that the bow goes to the left and your hand goes to the right with that swings go out with solu with that hybrid version you come up and you lock in the shoulder but then it's only the right arm so when you shoot only the right side of your body expands and your bow stays on target so that's the benefit myself and Dan mastery archery we use the swing draw method this is the method preferred by Fred as well we really look to him as a great example it's faster we have an interest in getting into aerial shooting at some point as well as keeping your arrow the tip of your arrow out of your line of sight completely all your focus is just on the target you're shooting it so let's just do a couple examples of what each one looks like I'll see if I can find a target to shoot at and I'll maybe do two examples of each stop the camera after each one and who cares about the results doesn't matter right hit like I said I'm a swing draw shooter so I'm gonna be best with the swing draw everything else I'm not skilled in I haven't practiced it but understand the concept so let's take a look at these and we'll go from there so I'm put my hat up here we'll do two with the swing drop first this is my preferred method so once again I'm going to aim it look at my target concentrate on it and as I'm coming up I'm pulling back just like that so I'm I'm basically coming to anchor at the exact same time that I finish my aiming personally just so I don't get this like a snap shooting situation I like to hold for a second or two just to get a real positive lock up saying this is where I want to be but if I were to go aerial this is the same technique that you would use doing a swing drop so let's do it so there's two at the swing draw I will get the arrows and then we'll do the straight iron shots second pretend them shooting out there I would come up kind of place the tip of the arrow where I want it to go pull back we'll do that one more time so concentrate on my target come up get the tip where I want it pull back so that's the straight our method next let's look at the hybrid between the swing draw and the straight arm the Byron Ferguson technique is what I'll call it but we'll see how that goes as well and what that looks like you're right back already just got my arrows now and finally let's do this hybrid some hybrid between the swing draw and the straight arm and see what that looks like so anything at my spot I'm going to start pulling up and back stop finish the pull and shoot one more time push-pull swing draw to begin stop a little short and then pull back and shoot so that's really what the three different methods are give them a shot they said most instinctive archers truly instinctive archers are going to like the swing draw that keeps the tip of the arrow out of the way it helps you just focus and concentrate on the target and it's a definitely the fastest of the three techniques to shoot you want to do aerial shooting or just very quick instinctive shooting the next one is the straight arm side preferred really by gap shooters and if you're like a target archer and you're doing known distances that is definitely the method to do it's probably the most consistent and most accurate but it's probably the slowest of all three and then finally there's this hybrid between the swing drawn straight arm you could argue it's kind of the best of both worlds but it's definitely a little modular in the sense of you kind of actively think about that where you're saying okay I'm gonna do a swing draw it first and then do the straight arm to finish and shoot so it'll be faster than the straight arm it's gonna be slower than the swing draw it's probably not going to be as accurate as a straight arm pull but it'll be more accurate than the swing draw if you're doing like target shooting so you just have to make these trade-offs so you have to think about what you want to accomplish as an archer what you're going to be using your archery skills for is it going to be hunting is it gonna be targeting me both Ariel what's it going to be and then just like I said get out there give them a shot see what works for you you might find something that you prefer like I said for Danites the swing draw but it's different for everybody so hopefully it helps you hopefully get some new information and feel free to post some comments underneath this video if you have any questions regarding these three methods Thanks

18 Replies to “S3 Archery – Draw Techniques”

  1. I have the issue with the collapsing shoulder/elbow. I straight draw because I gap shoot but I'm not that strong. I used to be able to shoot with a straight arm and low shoulder however when I got better and changed to gap method, it seems to be an issue I can't fix now (collapsing arm). This is making my shots inconsistent (draw length). I will try the swing draw again and the hybrid method and see how that goes.

  2. awesome video, but I have a question. what about a draw that you bring the bow high and as you come back down you draw. it tends to favor instinctive archers like myself but do you have and opinions on it

  3. As a instick archer I agree in second technigue. String draw is much better. I remember one time as kid to to hit middle of car's rim, moving car that is, with string draw and arrow with out fletchings. It on had metal string in weightings in end top. We had newer even heard proper fletching that time, we just playing around basic handmeid bows with out any instruction, very common type of game in my time and generations before me among my people. No they all in internet instead shooting wooden arrows to each other in woods… 🙁

  4. I have a problem with the arrow moving away from the side plate when I draw. Do you have any suggestions that I might try to help me. Thanks

  5. Nice demonstration. The only thing I really don't agree with is that you said gap shooters use a straight draw in order to site off the arrow tip. You can't site off the tip before or during the draw, only at full draw. So it really doesn't matter how you draw in order to aim gap method. Recurves with big heavy risers are more conducive to a straight draw while light-in-the-hand longbows are easier to swing draw.

  6. I am buying my 16 year old grandson his first bow set for Christmas for target practice.  I am concerned about the strength it takes to pull the string back.  Please comment on what would be best for him.

  7. ,sounds like your arrows are way to light in grain per pound very loud and noisy bow. My Kodiak is very quiet I'm shooting Bear Micro flight 8 arrows with four fletch 5" feathers

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