The National for Sunday, August 25, 2019 — Rising tensions and an unexpected visit at the G7 summit

The National for Sunday, August 25, 2019 — Rising tensions and an unexpected visit at the G7 summit


(*)>>Andrew: TONIGHT, A FRACTURED G7.>>ALLIES PRESSURE YOU TO GIVE UP THE TRADE WAR WITH CHINA?>>Andrew: THEY’RE MEANT TO DEBATE THE WORLD’S MOST PRESSING ISSUES BUT THESE LEADERS SHOWED UP WITH PLENTY OF THEIR OWN BAGGAGE. COMING TO A CONSENSUS WASN’T EVEN AN OPTION.>>>PROTESTS IN HONG KONG ERUPT INTO VIOLENCE AGAIN AS POLICE UNLEASH NEW WEAPONS AND GUNFIRE.>>>OUR CHRIS BROWN IS IN THE MIDDLE OF IT ALL. (*)>>GO BACK TO CHINA WHERE YOU BELONG.>>Andrew: AND A VIDEO OF A RACIST TIRADE PROMPTS ANGRY BACKLASH ONLINE BUT WHY PEOPLE REACTING TO THE VIDEO COULD BE IN MORE TROUBLE THAN THE WOMAN HERSELF.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>Andrew: THINK OF WHAT’S HAPPENING IN SOUTHERN FRANCE THIS WEEKEND AS PART POLITICS, PART DIPLOMATIC TIGHTROPE WALKING ACT. WORLD LEADERS ARE MEETING FOR THE G7 SUMMIT. ON PAPER TO TALK ABOUT GLOBAL ISSUES LIKE GENDER INEQUALITY AND CLIMATE CHANGE. BUT ALSO THERE IS TENSION, DISAGREEMENT AND HIGH STAKES. WHY? BECAUSE IN COMING TOGETHER TO TACKLE THE WORLD’S PROBLEMS, SO MANY OF THESE LEADERS BROUGHT THEIR OWN ALONG TOO. CANADA’S JUSTIN TRUDEAU HAS AN ELECTION RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER. BRITAIN’S BORIS JOHNSON HAS AN OCTOBER 31st BREXIT DEADLINE BREATHING DOWN HIS NECK. AND THEN THE U.S. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AROUND WHOM SO MUCH OF THE TENSION SWIRLS, HE’S IN THE MIDDLE OF A TRADE WAR WITH CHINA THAT IS AFFECTING THE ENTIRE WORLD’S ECONOMY. AND DON’T FORGET THAT HE TOO HAS AN ELECTION COMING UP NEXT YEAR. SO WORKING AROUND DONALD TRUMP HAS CHANGED HOW THIS SUMMIT WORKS AT ALL. DAVID COCHRANE IS IN BIARRITZ, FRANCE, AND EXPLAINS HOW.>>Reporter: JUSTIN TRUDEAU ARRIVES AT THIS G7 AS A GREAT DEFENDER OF MULTILATERAL INSTITUTIONS. DONALD TRUMP AS A GREAT DISRUPTER. FROM THOSE DIFFERENT STARTING POINTS, THEY SEEK COMMON GROUND.>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: THE CANADIAN AND THE AMERICAN ECONOMY ARE DOING WELL, PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE TRADING RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE.>>President Donald Trump: SO WE’RE GOING TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY EXPANDING OUR TRADING RELATIONSHIP WHEN THE USMCA GETS DONE, COMPLETED. OUR FARMERS LOVE IT, THE UNIONS LOVE IT.>>Reporter: AS NEIGHBOURS AND THE LARGEST TRADING PARTNERS THEY NEED TO KEEP THIS RELATIONSHIP POSITIVE BUT THE STRAINS AT THIS SUMMIT ARE SHOWING. AMERICAN MEDIA REPORTS CITE ANONYMOUS U.S. OFFICIALS COMPLAINING THAT FRANCE IS WASTING TOO MUCH TIME ON CLIMATE CHANGE, GENDER EQUALITY AND DEVELOPMENT IN AFRICA. CALLING THEM “NICHE ISSUES.” TRUMP WANTS TO FOCUS ON BOOSTING THE ECONOMY, EVEN THOUGH HIS ESCALATING TRADE WAR WITH CHINA HAS SLOWED GROWTH, SENT MARKETS TUMBLING, AND MADE ALLIES NERVOUS. THOUGH TRUMP DOESN’T QUITE SEE IT THAT WAY.>>Question: ARE YOUR ALLIES PRESSURING YOU TO GIVE UP YOUR TRADE WARS WITH CHINA?>>President Donald Trump: NOT AT ALL. I THINK THEY RESPECT THE TRADE WAR.>>WITH A SHEEP FAINT SHEEP-LIKE VIEW ON THE TRADE WAR.>>Reporter: BUT TRADE PEACE ISN’T TRUMP’S STYLE AND THAT STYLE IS CHANGING THE WAY THAT THE G7 WORKS. HIS STANCE ON CLIMATE CHANGE, FOR INSTANCE, HAS FORCED LEADERS TO ABANDON THE IDEA OF A UNANIMOUS COMMUNIQUÉ WHEN THIS SUMMIT IS OVER. HISTORICALLY LEADERS SIT AT THIS TABLE TO TACKLE THE WORLD’S BIGGEST CHALLENGES. NOW ONE OF THOSE CHALLENGES IS SITTING WITH THEM. AT TRUMP’S FIRST G7 IN ITALY HE BROKE THE CONSENSUS ON CLIMATE BY MAKING IT CLEAR THAT HE WAS PULLING OUT OF THE PARIS AGREEMENT. AT HIS SECOND LAST YEAR IN QUÉBEC HE OBLIBERATED THE COMMUNIQUÉ IN A TWEET STORM FROM AIR FORCE ONE. NOW IN FRANCE THEY WON’T EVEN TRY TO FORGE A CONSENSUS. NEXT YEAR TRUMP IS SCHEDULED TO HOST.>>THANK YOU.>>Reporter: SO RATHER THAN WORK IN A GROUP OF SEVEN THEY WORK IN GROUPS OF ONES AND TWOS AND THREES, TO MAKE PROGRESS ON WHAT THEY CAN, WHEN THEY CAN. TRUDEAU CONTINUES TO MEET WITH LIKE-MINDED LEADERS ON CLIMATE AND TRADE. HE SUPPORTS THE AFRICAN DEVELOPMENT AGENDA PUT FORWARD BY FRANCE. THE GOAL IS TO SHOW THAT MULTILATERAL ORGINISATIONS CAN BE EFFECTIVE IN DIFFICULT TIMES. OF COURSE TRUDEAU ALSO WANTS TO SHOW THAT HE CAN BE EFFECTIVE IN DIFFICULT TIMES. THAT IS CERTAINLY A MESSAGE THAT HE WANTS TO SEND TO THE OTHER WORLD LEADERS HERE AT THIS SUMMIT BUT ALSO TO CANADIANS BACK HOME, ESPECIALLY WITH AN ELECTION IN OCTOBER. DAVID COCHRANE, CBC NEWS, BIARRITZ, FRANCE.>>Andrew: IT WAS A MAJOR SUMMIT SURPRISE TODAY. IRAN’S FOREIGN MINISTER FLEW IN FOR SOME SIDELINE DIPLOMACY WITH THE FRENCH PRESIDENT. AS ELLEN MAURO TELLS US, THE WHITE HOUSE CLAIMS THAT IT WAS BLINDSIDED.>>Reporter: IRAN’S FOREIGN MINISTER JAVAD ZARIF TWEETED THESE PHOTOS, ALL SMILES AT HIS UNANNOUNCED MEETING WITH EMMANUEL MACRON. THE ENTIRE G7 IS COMMITTED TO THE STABILITY AND THE PEACE OF THE REGION, THE FRENCH PRESIDENT SAID. BUT THERE WAS CONFUSION OVER WHO KNEW MACRON INVITED ZARIF. EVEN DONALD TRUMP HAD LITTLE OR PERHAPS NO NOTICE.>>President Donald Trump: YOU CAN’T STOP PEOPLE FROM TALKING, IF THEY WANT TO TALK, THEY CAN TALK.>>Reporter: THE U.S. IS ISOLATED. IT PULLED OUT OF THE IRAN NUCLEAR DEAL ITS G7 PARTNERS DESPERATELY WANT TO SAVE.>>[speaking foreign language]>>Reporter: IF NOTHING HAPPENS TO PREVENT ESCALATION, GERMAN CHANCELLOR ANGELA MERKEL SAID, THEN WE HAVE TO FEAR THAT IRAN WILL RENEGE EVEN FURTHER. IRAN UPPED ITS URANIUM ENRICHMENT, BREAKING THE DEAL’S COMMITMENTS, TO GET BACK AT THE U.S. WEEKS OF TENSION IN THE STRAIT OF HORMUZ AND A DOWNED U.S. DRONE, EACH SIDE BLAMING THE OTHER.>>Reporter: WHO IS THE SOURCE OF INSTABILITY IN THE REGION? THE ANSWER TO ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS WOULD NOT BE IRAN.>>Reporter: MACRON SEEMINGLY WANTS TO MEDIATE, BETTING ON TRUMP’S DESIRE TO BE THE DEALMAKER-IN-CHIEF. PERHAPS LOOKING TO TRUMP’S MEETINGS WITH KIM JONG-un AND HOPING FOR THE SAME WITH IRAN. BUT TRUMP SO FAR IS NOT BITING AND TWEETING EARLIER THIS MONTH, “I KNOW EMMANUEL MEANS WELL, BUT NOBODY SPEAKS FOR THE UNITED STATES BUT THE UNITED STATES ITSELF.” IRAN IS ALSO REFUSING TO BACK DOWN, UNVEILING A NEW MISSILE SYSTEM JUST LAST WEEK. CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE, THE COUNTRY’S CIVILIANS, STRUGGLING UNDER U.S. SANCTIONS. THIS FAMILY CAN’T GET THE RIGHT MEDICINE FOR THEIR CHILD WHO HAS CANCER. THE HUMAN COST OF A CONFLICT THAT SEEMS FAR FROM OVER. ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Andrew: NOW ON THOSE FIRES BURNING IN THE AMAZON, WE TOLD YOU ON FRIDAY ABOUT FRENCH PRESIDENT EMMANUEL MACRON’S TO MAKE THEM A TOP G7 PRIORITY. WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY AGREED ON THIS WEEKEND WAS THE BEGINNINGS OF A PLAN.>>[speaking foreign language]>>Andrew: AT LEAST 41,000 WILDFIRES HAVE SPARKED IN THE WORLD’S LARGEST RAINFOREST THIS YEAR, LEADING TO GLOBAL OUTRAGE AND CALLS TO ACT. BRAZIL’S PRESIDENT HAS FACED PLENTY OF CRITICISM FOR POLICIES THAT CAN BE LINKED TO DEFORESTATION, BUT HE’S AUTHORIZED TENS OF THOUSANDS OF SOLDIERS TO HELP TO BATTLE THOSE FIRES. TODAY MACRON SAYS THAT G7 LEADERS ARE WORKING ON PROVIDING BOTH TECHNICAL AND FINANCIAL HELP. GERMANY ALSO PLANS TO TALK WITH BRAZIL ABOUT REFORESTATION ONCE THE FLAMES ARE UNDER CONTROL. EXPERTS BELIEVE THAT MOST OF THE FIRES ARE SET BY FARMERS DELIBERATELY TO CLEAR LAND.>>>OKAY, TO HONG KONG NOW AND A FLASHPOINT BETWEEN A PRO-DEMOCRACY PROTEST MOVEMENT AND A GOVERNMENT ULTIMATELY ANSWERABLE TO BEIJING THAT SEEMS AS EXPLOSIVE AS EVER. MANY HOPE THAT THE UNREST IN HONG KONG WAS REACHING A MORE PEACEFUL PHASE, IT WAS SHATTERED OVER THE PAST 24 HOURS. SUNDAY’S PROTESTS BEGAN PEACEFULLY ENOUGH WITH MARCHERS GATHERING IN A PARK IN THE CITY’S OUTSKIRTS. BUT NEAR THAT DEMONSTRATION, A HARD CORE GROUP WAS GIRDING FOR BATTLE. SO WERE POLICE. HARD CORE GROUP WAS GIRDING FOR BATTLE. SO WERE POLICE. WHAT OUR REPORTER ON THE GROUND, CHRIS BROWN, WITNESSED WITH HIS OWN EYES WAS A DRAMATIC ESCALATION.>>Reporter: HONG KONG STREETS TURNED WHITE AGAIN AS TEAR GAS THAT BURNS THE SKIN COATED PROTESTERS WHO REFUSED TO TAKE DOWN STREET BARRICADES. WHEN THAT DIDN’T WORK, POLICE ROLLED OUT NEW WEAPONS. WATER CANNONS MOUNTED ON ARMOURED VEHICLES. ALL OF THAT RATCHETED UP THE INTENSITY OF THE VIOLENCE HERE, BUT WHAT WE SAW ON A SIDE STREET IN CALHOUN WAS WORSE. RIOT POLICE CONFRONTED WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS A SMALL GROUP OF PROTESTERS, BUT SUDDENLY FROM AROUND A CORNER MORE PEOPLE SHOWED UP AND WENT ON THE ATTACK. IN THE RAIN-SOAKED STREETS AMONGST THE CHAOS, ONE COP STUMBLED AND FELL AND FOR AN INSTANT IT SEEMED THAT HE MIGHT BE SWARMED AND BEATEN. THEN IN ONE OF THE FEW TIMES SINCE THESE PROTESTS STARTED, POLICE DREW THEIR GUNS. ONE FIRED A WARNING SHOT. OTHERS WAVED THEIR GUNS AT THE CROWD, INCLUDING IN OUR DIRECTION, AS ONE BRAVE MAN TRIED TO DEESCALATE THINGS. AND THIS IS WHERE THAT VERY SCARY SCENE ENDED, WITH THE RIOT POLICE TAKING SHELTER IN THIS BUILDING HERE. A FEW MINUTES LATER AS YOU CAN SEE DOZENS, PERHAPS SCORES, OF REINFORCEMENTS CAME BANGING ON THEIR SHIELDS TO RELIEVE THEM. BUT A VERY SCARY MOMENT. PEOPLE HERE HAVE GIVEN UP COUNTING THE NUMBER OF ROUNDS OF TEAR GAS THAT HAVE BEEN FIRED AND THE NUMBER OF NIGHTS OF CLASHES BETWEEN POLICE AND PROTESTERS. AUTHORITIES HAVE TRIED SHUTTING DOWN METRO STATIONS SO PEOPLE CAN’T GET TO THE PROTESTS AND THEN CHINESE REGULATORS HAVE PUT PRESSURE ON HONG KONG COMPANIES TO ENSURE THAT THEIR EMPLOYEES STAY AWAY, BUT NONE OF THAT APPEARS TO BE WORKING. AFTER A SHORT LULL IN THE VIOLENCE LAST WEEK, SUNDAY NIGHT’S CONFRONTATIONS WERE ARGUABLY AMONG THE WORST SINCE HONG KONG’S POLITICAL CRISIS BEGAN. CHRIS BROWN, CBC NEWS, HONG KONG.>>Andrew: NOW THE FEAR IS WHERE THIS GOES NEXT BECAUSE EVENTUALLY ONE SIDE IS GOING TO HAVE TO BACK DOWN AND THE STAKES ARE ONLY GOING UP.>>WE NEED DEMOCRACY! WE NEED DEMOCRACY!>>Andrew: BEIJING CAN’T BE SEEN SURRENDERING CONTROL TO A PRO-DEMOCRACY MOVEMENT ANYWHERE IN ITS TERRITORY. HENCE, THE SHOW OF FORCE LAST WEEK WITH CHINESE PARAMILITARY EXERCISES JUST OUTSIDE OF HONG KONG. BUT CRUSHING THE PROTESTS WOULD ALSO CARRY RISKS.>>CHINA DOESN’T WANT — THE WAY THEY HANDLE THE ISSUE TO BE AN ITEM IN THE TRADE DISPUTES WITH THE UNITED STATES.>>Andrew: SO THIS IS WHAT CHINA WANTS THE WORLD TO SEE. VIOLENCE… VANDALISM, BUT, OF COURSE, THERE ARE ALSO THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS WHO CONTINUE TO DEMONSTRATE PEACEFULLY.>>SO, ACTUALLY, IT PUTS THEM IN A KIND OF A VERY DIFFICULT SITUATION BECAUSE IT’S THE PERSISTENCE OF THE PROTESTS AND THE MIX OF PEACE AND MORE VIOLENT MEANS.>>Andrew: SUSTAINING SOME OF THE PROTESTERS IS A SENSE THAT THEY ARE IN TOO DEEP TO BACK DOWN.>>I THINK THAT SOME OF THEM HAVE KIND OF AN ENDGAME MENTALITY BECAUSE THEY THINK THAT IF THEY FAIL THIS TIME THAT THEN HONG KONG WILL BE FINISHED IN TERMS OF FREEDOM, IN TERMS OF THEY MAY FACE MASSIVE ARRESTS.>>Andrew: INDEED, SOME HONG KONGERS FEAR THEY’RE WORKING AGAINST A DEADLINE. IN OCTOBER, THE PEOPLE’S REPUBLIC OF CHINA MARKS ITS 70th ANNIVERSARY AND THE THINKING IS THAT BEIJING WILL WANT THE CRISIS RESOLVED BEFORE THEN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.>>>WELL, WITH JUST EIGHT WEEKS TO GO UNTIL THE FEDERAL ELECTION HERE IN CANADA, MAXIME BERNIER KICKED OFF HIS CAMPAIGN AS LEADER OF THE PEOPLE’S PARTY OF CANADA. NOW A KEY PLANK OF HIS PLATFORM — CUTTING WHAT HE CALLS MASS IMMIGRATION. CONTROVERSIAL, FOR SURE, BUT AS SARAH LEAVITT REPORTS, SOME OF HIS SUPPORTERS AREN’T SHY ABOUT SPREADING THAT VERY MESSAGE RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.>>Reporter: THE BILLBOARDS HAVE POPPED UP ALONG HIGHWAYS ACROSS CANADA. “SAY NO TO MASS IMMIGRATION,” VOTE PEOPLE’S PARTY. LAUNCHING HIS CAMPAIGN FROM HIS QUÉBEC RIDING TODAY, MAXIME BERNIER DEFENDED THE BILLBOARDS.>>WE WANT FEWER IMMIGRANTS AND A MAXIMUM OF 150,000 A YEAR. AND, YOU KNOW, WE’RE NOT FOR MASS IMMIGRATION.>>Reporter: THE BILLBOARDS WERE PUT UP BY A THIRD PARTY CALLED “TRUE NORTH STRONG AND FREE ADVERTISING CORPORATION BERNIER TWEETED THAT HIS PARTY .” HAS NO CONNECTION TO THE GROUP, BUT THAT THE BILLBOARDS DO ACCURATELY REPRESENT HIS STANCE ON IMMIGRATION.>>FOR ME MASS IMMIGRATION IS 350,000 A YEAR. AND IF YOU LOOK AT IT, AFTER TWO YEARS THAT WOULD BE A MILLION NEW CANADIANS AND THAT’S THE EQUIVALENT OF THE POPULATION OF NOVA SCOTIA.>>Reporter: BERNIER POINTS TO THE QUÉBEC ELECTION. LEADER FRANÇOIS LEGAULT SUCCESSFULLY RAN ON A CAMPAIGN PROMISE TO TEMPORARILY REDUCE THE NUMBER OF IMMIGRANTS. BERNIER SAYS THAT MANY OTHER CANADIANS WANT TO HAVE A SIMILAR DISCUSSION. AS FOR THOSE BILLBOARDS THERE HAVE BEEN CRITICISM. NOVA SCOTIA’S LIBERAL PREMIER STEPHEN McNEIL TWEETED “AS PREMIER, I WELCOME EVERYONE TO NOVA SCOTIA — BUT I DON’T WELCOME THIS NEGATIVE DIVISIVE TONE.” BERNIER SAYS IT’S NOT NEGATIVE AT ALL.>>WE NEED TO GO BACK, WE NEED TO HAVE FEWER IMMIGRANTS BUT WE NEED TO BE SURE THAT THESE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO INTEGRATE INTO OUR SOCIETY AND BE PART OF OUR SOCIETY.>>Reporter: TONIGHT THE BILLBOARD COMPANY SAYS WHILE THE AD MET ITS STANDARDS IT’S BEEN INUNDATED WITH COMPLAINTS. IT WAS NEVER MY OR OUR INTENTION TO OFFEND, ALIENATE OR INSULT THE PUBLIC BY LETTING THIS AD TO BE RUN. THE COMPANY SAYS THAT THE BILLBOARDS WILL BE TAKEN DOWN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. SARAH LEAVITT, CBC NEWS, MONTREAL.>>Andrew: AND A REMINDER ABOUT ONE OF THE TOOLS THAT CBC NEWS HAS FOR YOU THIS ELECTION SEASON — OUR POLL TRACKER. IT’S AN AGGREGATE OF MAJOR PUBLIC POLLS CRUNCHED BY OUR VERY OWN POLLS ANALYST ÉRIC GRENIER. HERE’S WHERE THINGS START RIGHT NOW. STARTING WITH BERNIER’S PEOPLE’S PARTY SITTING AT UNDER 3%. UP AT THE TOP THE CONSERVATIVES LEAD THE LIBERALS BY LESS THAN A PERCENTAGE POINT, NECK-AND-NECK. AND THE N.D.P. ARE ABOUT 14% AND THE GREENS AROUND 10%. KEEP UP WITH HOW IT ALL SHIFTS AROUND AS WE GET CLOSER AND CLOSER TO ELECTION NIGHT. YOU CAN HEAD TO cbcnews.ca/POLLTRACKER.>>>OKAY, HERE’S SOME OF THE OTHER STORIES THAT WE’RE WATCHING THIS SUNDAY NIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>HE WAS SEEKING CLOSURE IN THE SITUATION.>>Andrew: THE FATHER OF SUSPECTED KILLER BRYER SCHMEGELSKY SAYS HE WANTS TO SEE THE VIDEO THAT HIS SON RECORDED BEFORE HE DIED. AL SCHMEGELSKY CALLS IT A LAST WILL AND TESTAMENT. THE RCMP ISN’T WILLING TO HAND IT OVER BUT IT HAS SHARED SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THE VIDEO WITH SCHMEGELSKY’S MOTHER WHO WAS LISTED AS HER SON’S NEXT-OF-KIN. LISTED AS HER SON’S NEXT-OF-KIN.>>I WISH I COULD JUST GO THERE AND TAKE THE PAIN AWAY, BUT I CAN’T. SO THIS IS MY ONLY WAY OF HELPING THEM OUT.>>Andrew: PEOPLE GATHERED IN SEVERAL CANADIAN CITIES TODAY TO MARK A SOMBRE ANNIVERSARY. EXACTLY TWO YEARS AGO MYANMAR BEGAN EXPELLING MORE THAN 700,000 ROHINGYA. TO MARK THE MILESTONE TODAY HUGE CROWDS OF REFUGEES PROTESTED IN CAMPS ACROSS BANGLADESH.>>THIS HAS A LITTLE BIT MORE MEANING FOR ME PERSONALLY. I’M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT IT.>>Andrew: OTTAWA MAYOR JIM WATSON IS TAKING PART IN HIS FIRST PRIDE PARADE SINCE COMING OUT A WEEK AGO. WATSON SAYS THAT HE WAITED 40 YEARS TO PUBLICLY REVEAL THAT HE’S GAY, AND THAT HE HAS BEEN TOUCHED BY ALL OF THE SUPPORT THAT HE’S RECEIVED SINCE.>>>OKAY, TO BRITISH COLUMBIA NOW WHERE A RACIST RANT IN A PARKING LOT HAS PROMPTED A POLICE INVESTIGATION AND SOME PRETTY MAJOR ONLINE BACKLASH AGAINST THE WOMAN AT THE CENTRE OF IT. BUT AS TANYA FLETCHER EXPLAINS, THAT REACTION COULD END UP BEING AS PROBLEMATIC AS THE RANT ITSELF.>>YOU DON’T KNOW A DAMNED THING. GO BACK TO CHINA WHERE YOU BELONG. YOU [BLEEP]>>Reporter: A DISTURBING>>YOU DON’T KNOW A DAMNED THING. GO BACK TO CHINA WHERE YOU BELONG. YOU [BLEEP]>>Reporter: A DISTURBING ENCOUNTER CAUGHT ON CAMERA IN THE MIDDLE OF A PARKING LOT.>>YOU CROSSED THE LINE.>>I CROSSED THE LINE.>>[BLEEP] CHINA LADY.>>Reporter: THE VIDEO SHOWS TWO CARS WITH THEIR FRONT BUMPERS TOUCHING, THE WOMAN TARGETED IN THE TIRADE SAYS THAT SHE JUST FINISHED SHOPPING WITH HER 3-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTER.>>SHE JUST ASKED WHERE I’M COMING FROM. I SAID, THIS IS NOT THE POINT. I THINK THE THING IS THAT WE’VE GOT AN ACCIDENT HERE. BUT SHE JUST REFUSED TO LISTEN TO ME AND STARTED YELLING. I WAS SO MAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, MY KID WAS FRIGHTENED.>>Reporter: THE CONFRONTATION HAPPENED IN THIS STRIP MALL PARKING LOT.3>>Reporter: THE CONFRONTATION HAPPENED IN THIS STRIP MALL PARKING LOT. AND CBC NEWS SPOKE WITH THE WOMAN SEEN YELLING IN THE VIDEO AND SHE REFUSED AN INTERVIEW BUT SAYS SHE MAKES NO APOLOGIES FOR HER COMMENTS AND DOESN’T REGRET THE LANGUAGE SHE USED. NOW AS FOR THE RCMP, THEY CONFIRM THEY ARE INVESTIGATING, BUT THEY WON’T SPECIFY WHAT POSSIBLE CHARGES COULD BE LAID.>>THE SUPREME COURT OF CANADA HAS RULED IN A NUMBER OF CASES ABOUT WHAT CONSTITUTES HATE SPEECH.>>Reporter: KYLA LEE IS A CRIMINAL LAWYER. SHE SAYS THAT HATE CRIME CHARGES ARE POSSIBLE BUT NOT COMMON IN CASES LIKE THIS.>>SO THEY HAVE TO PROVE IN THESE CASES THAT THE PERSON MADE THE SPEECH IN ORDER TO INCITE OR PROMOTE HATRED. WHICH MEANS THAT IT HAS TO BE MORE OF A PUBLIC EXPRESSION. SO PRIVATE DISCOURSE BETWEEN INDIVIDUALS DOES NOT NECESSARILY RISE TO THE LEVEL OF HATE SPEECH.>>Reporter: CHARGES OF CAUSING A DISTURBANCE COULD BE CONSIDERED AS WELL, BUT THERE’S ANOTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO COULD BE IN LEGAL TROUBLE. THIS FOLLOWS A PREDICTABLE PATTERN. THE VIDEO HAS PROMPTED THOUSANDS OF SOCIAL MEDIA COMMENTS NAMING AND SHAMING THE WOMAN. SOME PUBLICLY POSTING HER PERSONAL INFORMATION.>>AS SOON AS YOU SAY HERE’S THE PERSON’S ADDRESS, HERE’S THIS PERSON’S PHONE NUMBER, IT’S FORESEEABLE THAT OTHERS ARE GOING TO USE THAT INFORMATION TO EITHER CAUSE HARM OR TO CAUSE DISTRESS. AND YOU COULD BE CHARGED WITH COUNSELLING PEOPLE TO COMMIT A CRIMINAL OFFENSE.>>Reporter: OTHERS WHO HAVE GONE SO FAR AS TO POST DEATH THREATS ON THE WOMAN’S FACEBOOK PAGE COULD BE CHARGED TOO. ULTIMATELY LEE SAYS THAT IT’S LIKELYTHREATS ON THE WOMAN’S FACEBOOK PAGE COULD BE CHARGED TOO. ULTIMATELY LEE SAYS THAT IT’S LIKELY THERE WOULD BE CHARGES RELATED TO THE RESPONSE OR SOONER CHARGES RELATED TO THE INCIDENT ITSELF. TANYA FLETCHER, CBC NEWS, RICHMOND.>>Andrew: LOTS MORE STILL TO COME ON TONIGHT’S “NATIONAL,” INCLUDING THE CANADIAN WHO EXPOSED THE CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA SCANDAL. WE WILL REVISIT IAN’S INTERVIEW WITH CHRISTOPHER WILEY.>>>NEXT, WHAT A RESEARCH PROJECT ON EBOLA CAN TELL US ABOUT FIGHTING THE ANTI-VAX MOVEMENT IN CANADA.>>WE KNOW WHEN THESE MESSAGES ARE SPREAD IN MOM GROUPS OR AT THE PARK THAT THEY CAN BE EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL AS WELL. (*) (*) (*)>>THERE ARE NEGATIVE SOCIAL MEDIA CAMPAIGNS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE TRIED TO CONVINCE POPULATIONS THAT THE VACCINE IS USED TO INFECT YOU AND THE THERAPEUTICS ARE USED TO FINISH YOU OFF.>>Andrew: THAT’S THE WORLD HEALTH ORGINISATION EXPLAINING SOME OF THE CHALLENGES IN CONTAINING THE SECOND DEADLIEST OUTBREAK OF EBOLA ON RECORD. THERE IS A PROVEN LIFE-SAVING VACCINE BUT CONVINCING PEOPLE TO TAKE IT HASN’T BEEN EASY. SO FAR THE OUTBREAK HAS CLAIMED NEARLY 2,000 LIVES. THERE ARE SIGNS OF A TURNAROUND THOUGH. MORE THAN 200,000 PEOPLE IN THE DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC OF CONGO WERE IMMUNIZED THIS MONTH ALONE AND AS KATIE NICHOLSON EXPLAINS, THE SAME APPROACH USED TO DEAL WITH ANTI-VACCINE SENTIMENT IN AFRICA COULD BE USEFUL HERE.>>Reporter: THOSE LAST FEW DAYS OF SUMMER VACATION WHEN MALLORY DOESN’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SENDING HER SON RILE TOW SCHOOL. — RILEY TO SCHOOL.>>SCHOOL IS A CESSPOOL, IF YOU WILL, FOR THESE ERADICATED DISEASES WHEN CHILDREN DON’T VACCINATE. SO SENDING HIM TO SCHOOL IS VERY SCARY FOR US.>>Reporter: RILEY IS IMMUNOCOMPROMISED AND CAN’T GET CERTAIN VACCINES WHICH MAKES HIM VULNERABLE TO CERTAIN ILLNESSES IF OTHER PARENTS CHOOSE TO NOT VACCINATE THEIR KIDS.>>IT’S EVERYWHERE AND THEN SOME MOMS WON’T VACCINATE AND OTHER MOMS WON’T VACCINATE BECAUSE THIS MOM DIDN’T.>>Reporter: TAKE THE M.M.R. SHOT WHICH PREVENTS MEASLES, MUMPS AND RUBELLA. IN ORDER TO PREVENT OUTBREAKS 995% OF THE POPULATION NEEDS TO GET THE SHOT. IN TORONTO, ONLY 92% OF SCHOOL-AGED CHILDREN HAVE BEEN VACCINATED. IN OTTAWA, ONLY 94% OF 7 YEAR OLDS HAVE BEEN IMMUNIZED. THAT PUTS KIDS LIKE RILEY AT RISK TO GET THOSE NUMBERS UP PUBLIC HEALTH OFFICIALS HERE ARE LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON HOW TO COMBAT MEDICAL MISTRUST AND THE ANSWER COULD COME FROM HALF A WORLD AWAY WHERE CANADIAN RESEARCHERS ARE HELPING PEOPLE IN CONGO GRAPPLE WITH EBOLA.>>THERE’S A SENSE OF MISTRUST, RIGHT? RUMOURS ARE GOING AROUND, RIGHT, ABOUT, OH, THE VACCINE — YOU GET INJECTED WITH THE VIRUS, RIGHT? OR IT’S A GOVERNMENT CONSPIRACY.>>Reporter: YORK UNIVERSITY PROFESSOR HARRIS ALI IS PART OF A TEAM TAKING ON EBOLA IN CONGO BY ENLISTING PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE.>>IT’S OPEN TO ALL OF THE COMMUNITY LEADERS, WHOEVER THEY MAY BE.>>Reporter: IT’S AN APPROACH THAT HAS HAD GREAT SUCCESS IN THE EBOLA OUTBREAK IN LIBERIA SEVERAL YEARS AGO. EARN THE TRUST OF THE PEOPLE, SOMETIMES BY ADDRESSING SIMPLE PRE-EXISTING NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY LIKE FRESH WATER BY BUILDING WELLS. THIS TRUST HELPS THEM TO DRAW IN LEADERS WHO ARE ALREADY RESPECTED. THOSE LEADERS ARE THEN EDUCATED ABOUT THE DISEASE AND DEPUTIZED TO HELP TO TRACK IT IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY.>>BECAUSE OFTENTIMES THERE’S SOME ARROGANCE IN THE RESPONSE THAT, OKAY, YOU KNOW, WE IN THE WEST KNOW BETTER, AND, YOU KNOW, THERE’S NO SORT OF ATTENTION TO THE LOCAL KNOWLEDGE, TO THE LOCAL PRACTICES. A SUCCESSFUL RESPONSE TO EBOLA WILL ONLY OCCUR IF THERE’S COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, OKAY. WITHOUT THAT IT WOULD BE A FAILURE.>>THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT THAT KIND OF AN INTERVENTION COULD DEFINITELY HAVE AN IMPACT HERE IN CANADA.>>Reporter: DR. DUBAI SAYS THAT 20% OF CANADIAN PARENTS ARE ON THE FENCE ABOUT VACCINATION. SHE THINKS THAT CREATING VACCINATION AMBASSADORS IN SCHOOLS AND PARENT GROUPS COULD INOCULATE PARENTS AGAINST VACCINATION MISINFORMATION.>>SO WE KNOW WHEN THESE MESSAGES ARE SPREAD IN MOM GROUPS OR AT THE PARK THAT THEY CAN BE EXTREMELY INFLUENTIAL AS WELL.>>Reporter: MALLORY OLSHESKI AGREES.>>I THINK A LOT OF TIMES WHEN DOCTORS COME OUT AND REALLY PUSH FOR THINGS THEY BELIEVE IN, IT’S ADMIRABLE. AND IT’S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THEY SHOULD DO. BUT IT DOESN’T HOLD AS MUCH WEIGHT AS A MOM WHO HAS A LITTLE GIRL OR A LITTLE BOY WHO HAS BEEN VACCINATED.>>Reporter: AN APPROACH SHE’S ALREADY TAKING ONE MOM AT A TIME. KATIE NICHOLSON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: AND COMING UP ON TONIGHT’S “NATIONAL,” A STORY FROM THE FRONTLINES OF THE ROBOT REVOLUTION. YOUR MARTINI IS MADE BY A MACHINE. BUT NEXT…>>>THE CANADIAN WHO BLEW THE LID OFF WHAT FACEBOOK IS REALLY DOING WITH YOUR DATA.>>THEY WANT TO TAKE THE DATA AND MONETIZE YOU AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU. BUT WHEN THERE’S A PROBLEM THEY WANT TO PUSH IT TO SOMETHING ELSE AND SAY IT’S REALLY COMPLICATED.>>Andrew: IAN’S INTERVIEW WITH THE CENTRAL FIGURE IN THE CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA SCANDAL RIGHT AFTER THIS. (*) (*)>>Andrew: WE GIVE SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES OUR PERSONAL INFORMATION, OUR PHOTOS, OUR CONNECTIONS, OUR POLITICS, AND FOR A LONG TIME VERY FEW PEOPLE THOUGHT TWICE ABOUT THAT. BUT CLEARLY THAT’S NOT THE CASE ANYMORE. WE NOW KNOW JUST HOW EASILY OUR OWN INFORMATION CAN BE USED TO MANIPULATE US. CHRISTOPHER WILEY IS PART OF THE REASON WHY. LAST YEAR HE BLEW THE WHISTLE ON PERSONAL FACEBOOK DATA BEING SHARED WITH A CONSULTING FIRM CALLED CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA. SO NOW WITH THE FEDERAL ELECTION JUST TWO MONTHS AWAY WE REVISIT A CONVERSATION HE HE HAD WITH IAN.>>Ian: HE WAS RELATIVELY UNKNOWN JUST OVER A YEAR AGO. BUT NOW IN SOME CIRCLES CHRISTOPHER WILEY IS PRACTICALLY A HOUSEHOLD NAME. (*) THE DATA SCIENTIST WHO BLEW THE LID OFF FACEBOOK’S CAMBRIDGE ANALYTICA SCANDAL. A BREACH THAT AFFECTED 87 MILLION PEOPLE. PERSONAL INFORMATION WAS HARVESTED AND IT WAS USED TO PROFILE PEOPLE ON FACEBOOK WITH POLITICAL MESSAGES AND DISINFORMATION. CAMPAIGNS THAT MANY BELIEVE INFLUENCED THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION AND THE BREXIT VOTE.>>I THINK THAT IT’S COMPLETELY REASONABLE TO SAY THAT THERE COULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT OUTCOME IN THE REFERENDUM, YOU KNOW, HADOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT OUTCOME IN THE REFERENDUM, YOU KNOW, HAD THERE NOT BEEN IN MY VIEW CHEATING.>>Reporter: THE REVELATION SET OFF A MEDIA FIRESTORM AND SUDDENLY FACEBOOK SEEMED VULNERABLE. IN THE MONTHS THAT FOLLOWED WILEY HAS BECOME MUCH MORE THAN A WHISTLEBLOWER BUT ALMOST AN EVANGELIST FOR LIMITING THE POWER OF BIG TECH COMPANIES LIKE FACEBOOK. CALLING FOR REGULATIONS. A CODE OF ETHICS FOR SOFTWARE ENGINEERS. AND, OF COURSE, MAKING SURE THAT ALL OF US WHO USE SOCIAL MEDIA AND TECH ARE AWARE OF THE RISKS. I CAUGHT UP WITH CHRISTOPHER WILEY RECENTLY IN VANCOUVER. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR DOING THIS.>>THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.>>Ian: AND IT’S REALLY INTERESTING TO FINALLY SEE YOU IN PERSON. I FEEL LIKE I KNOW YOU BECAUSE I HAVE SEEN SO MUCH OF YOU OVER THE LAST YEAR.>>AND VICE VERSA. WHEN I WAS GROWING UP I WATCHED YOU ON TV TOO. THERE YOU GO, WE FINALLY MEET.>>Ian: THAT’S RIGHT. YOU HAVE BEEN AT THE FOREFRONT OF THIS AWAKENING REALLY IN THE LAST 13 MONTHS. HOW MUCH SAFER ARE THINGS NOW THAN THEY WERE A YEAR AGO?>>I WOULDN’T — I WOULDN’T SAY THAT THINGS ARE SAFER PER SE, I THINK THAT THERE’S MORE AWARENESS. SO, YOU KNOW, THE WAY THAT I THINK ABOUT IT IS THAT A LOT OF THESE PLATFORMS — THE FACT THAT THEY TALK ABOUT THEMSELVES AS SERVICES WITH TERMS AND CONDITIONS AND OFTEN THEY’RE NOT, THEY’RE ARCHITECTURES. IN OTHER DOMAINS WHERE INFRASTRUCTURE IS AT PLAY, WHETHER THAT’S A PHYSICAL ARCHITECTURE OR, YOU KNOW, AN ENERGY INFRASTRUCTURE, WATER INFRASTRUCTURE, WE DON’T TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY THERE. WE TALK ABOUT IS WHAT’S BEING BUILT SAFE, RIGHT? AND SO WHAT I FEEL LIKE, YOU KNOW, HAS HAPPENED WITH FACEBOOK IS THAT THEY’VE BUILT AN ARCHITECTURE WITHOUT FIRE EXITS, RIGHT, WITH FAULTY WIRING. AND INSTEAD THEY’VE JUST SAID, WELL, WE’RE GOING TO PUT SOME TERMS AND CONDITIONS ON DO WE LET PEOPLE WALK IN AND JUST CALL IT OUR “USER EXPERIENCE.” SO I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO START HAVING A CONVERSATION ABOUT ARE THE ARCHITECTURES THAT ARE BEING BUILT, ARE THEY SAFE? LIKE, THE REALITY IS THAT JUST LIKE HOW ELECTRICITY IS ABSOLUTELY ESSENTIAL TO THE FUNCTIONING OF A PERSON IN MODERN SOCIETY, USING THE INTERNET ALSO IS. SO PEOPLE DON’T ACTUALLY HAVE A CHOICE AS TO OPT IN OR OPT OUT. BECAUSE IF YOU — IF YOU SAY TO A PERSON, ALL RIGHT, WELL, IF YOU WANT TO PROTECT YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOUR HUMAN RIGHTS, YOUR PRIVACY RIGHTS, DON’T USE THE INTERNET. I MEAN, IT’S LIKE SAYING IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE ELECTROCUTED DON’T USE BUILDINGS. AND WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT CURRENTLY THESE BIG TECH PLATFORMS DO NOT WANT TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. THEY WANT TO TAKE THE DATA AND THEY WANT TO MONETIZE YOU AND MAKE MONEY OFF OF YOU, BUT WHEN THERE’S A PROBLEM THEY WANT TO PUSH IT TO SOMETHING ELSE AND SAY IT’S REALLY COMPLICATED. FOR ME WHEN I HEAR THAT, I HEAR, YOU KNOW, A COMPANY LIKE BOEING SAY, YEAH, WELL, AEROSPACE ENGINEERING IS REALLY COMPLICATED AND SOMETIMES OUR PLANES FALL OUT OF THE SKY, RIGHT? WE WOULD NOT TOLERATE THAT. SO FOR ME FACEBOOK’S DEFENCE IS THE BEST ARGUMENT TO SAY WHY WE SHOULD BE REGULATING THEM, BECAUSE IT IS COMPLICATED. SO WE NEED TO ENSURE THEY HAVE PERFORMED DUE DILIGENCE ON THEIR PRODUCTS BEFORE THEY RELEASE THEM INTO THE PUBLIC.>>Ian: SO IF THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA CAME TO YOU, AND MAYBE THEY HAVE, AND SAID HOW DO WE DO THIS PROPERLY — BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, PART OF THIS TOO IS THAT THE INTERNET AND SOCIAL MEDIA CAN GIVE VOICE TO PEOPLE IN A GOOD WAY.>>IT CAN.>>Ian: IT CAN BREAK DOWN BARRIERS AND ALLOW FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION, AND PRESUMABLY YOU DON’T WANT TO RESTRICT THAT UNNECESSARILY. SO WHAT IS IT THAT NEEDS TO BE REGULATED?>>I THINK THAT ACTUALLY ONE OF THE BEST PLACES TO START IS ACTUALLY NOT JUST IMPOSING REGULATIONS ON SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES BUT ACTUALLY CREATING PROFESSIONAL CONDUCT STANDARDS FOR ENGINEERS AND ARCHITECTS WHO WORK IN SOFTWARE AND DATA SCIENCE. WHERE PEOPLE AND PROFESSIONALS ARE NOT ONLY OBLIGATED TO CONSTANTLY QUESTION THEMSELVES AND THE TECHNOLOGY THEY’RE BUILDING ABOUT HOW IT CAN GO WRONG OR HOW IT CAN BE MISUSED OR WHAT ITS IMPACT WILL BE ON PUBLIC HEALTH OR PUBLIC SAFETY OR DEMOCRACY, BUT ALSO EMPOWER PEOPLE WHO SEE THINGS HAPPENING INSIDE OF THESE COMPANIES BEFORE THEY’RE ACTUALLY BUILT AND EMPOWER THEM TO SAY, NO, ACTUALLY, THIS IS UNETHICAL. AND EMPOWER THEM WHERE THEY CAN’T BE RETALIATED AGAINST.>>Ian: LET’S TALK ABOUT THE CONSUMERS AND THE USERS AND THE PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO ARE EMBRACING SOCIAL MEDIA.>>YEAH.>>Ian: I SENSE THAT SOME PEOPLE FEEL PARANOID ABOUT SOCIAL MEDIA NOW. CERTAINLY, MANY PEOPLE FEEL ANXIOUS. IS THAT HOW PEOPLE SHOULD BE FEELING, THE USERS OF SOCIAL MEDIA?>>I THINK SKEPTICAL AND QUESTIONING, YOU KNOW, ARE HEALTHY THINGS. I THINK WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO REALLY START THINKING ABOUT IS NOT JUST WHAT’S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW BUT WHAT IS THE TRENDS OF THESE BIG TECH COMPANIES AND WHERE THEY MIGHT END UP IN FIVE, 10, 20 YEARS FROM NOW. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT PATENT APPLICATIONS FROM GOOGLE OR FROM FACEBOOK OR AMAZON, WHERE THEY WANT DESIGN, ESSENTIALLY SURVEILLANCE NETWORKS INSIDE OF A PHYSICAL CONSTRUCTED SPACE, RIGHT, INCLUDING IN YOUR LIVING ROOM. WHERE FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HUMAN HISTORY YOU ARE SITTING IN YOUR OWN HOUSE AND YOU ARE NEVER ALONE. BECAUSE THE AMBIENT ENVIRONMENT IS WATCHING YOU AND THINKING ABOUT YOU AND CONSTANTLY TRYING TO EKE TO CHANGE, INFLUENCE, AND OPTIMIZE YOUR BEHAVIOUR. AND IF WE PUT PEOPLE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE THEIR HOUSE THINKS ABOUT THEM AND CONSTANTLY TALKS TO AN AD NETWORK, AND THAT AD NETWORK ALSO TALKS TO THEIR CHILDREN’S TOYS. AND THAT TALKS TO YOUR CAR AND YOUR CAR DECIDES WHETHER OR NOT YOU SHOULD BE ON TIME FOR WORK, DEPENDING ON THE SUBSCRIPTION PACKAGE YOU HAVE FOR THE SELF-DRIVING FEATURES OF THAT CAR. WHERE YOUR REFRIGERATOR STARTS BUYING THINGS FOR YOU, WHERE YOU ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU BECOME COMPLETELY INFANTILIZED IN YOUR LIFE BECAUSE EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IS THINKING ABOUT YOU AND SEEKING TO CHANGE AND INFLUENCE YOUR BEHAVIOUR. AND I FEEL LIKE THAT COULD GO TERRIBLY, TERRIBLY WRONG.>>Ian: ARE THERE CLEAR DOs AND DON’Ts RIGHT NOW?>>WHEN YOU HAVE PURCHASED OR>>WHEN YOU HAVE PURCHASED OR SUBSCRIBED TO A SMART DEVICE SERVICE, SOFTWARE, PLATFORM, ETC., UNDERSTAND THAT THOSE THINGS ARE OFTEN INTERCONNECTED. AND THAT WHAT THEY DO NOW IS NOT NECESSARILY HOW THEY WANT TO MONETIZE IT FIVE, 10 YEARS FROM NOW, RIGHT. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THINGS LIKE GENETIC TESTS AND ANCESTRY TESTS AND ALL OF THAT. YOU KNOW, IT MIGHT BE FUN TO SEE, YOU KNOW, GENETICALLY WHERE YOU’RE FROM IN THE WORLD, BUT AT THE SAME TIME TAKE A STEP BACK AND GO, WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS GETS INTEGRATED WITH AN INSURANCE COMPANY, FOR EXAMPLE. IF YOU’RE IN THE UNITED STATES, RIGHT. WHAT IF THIS GETS INTEGRATED WITH SOME OTHER KIND OF CONSUMER CREDIT PROFILING, RIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS WHEN, ACTUALLY, I HAVEN’T EVEN USED THIS TEST, BUT MY COUSIN HAS AND THEN THE INSURANCE COMPANY THEN ACQUIRES THAT COMPANY AND THEN PROFILES ME VIA WHAT MY COUSIN DID, RIGHT? AND ALL OF A SUDDEN — THIS IS WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT IT’S A HARD AND INSIDIOUS PROBLEM BECAUSE EVEN IF YOU DO NOT USE A LOT OF THESE PLATFORMS OR SERVICES, THEY STILL CAN PROFILE YOU. AND THEY CAN SEEK TO INFLUENCE YOU. AND SO THE THING THAT I WOULD SAY IS THAT IF PEOPLE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT WHERE WE’RE GOING WITH TECHNOLOGY, CALL YOUR M.P. AND TELL THEM ABOUT IT. OR CALL FACEBOOK AND TELL THEM ABOUT IT. TELL THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ACTUALLY MAKING OR RESPONSIBLE OR IN POWER TO CHANGE IT THAT YOU DON’T LIKE WHERE WE’RE GOING.>>Ian: SO GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT YOU HAVE EXPERIENCED AND SEEN, THE GOOD AND BAD IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, DO YOU ACTUALLY THINK THAT CALLING FACEBOOK AND/OR CALLING YOUR M.P. WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE?>>WELL, IF WE SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, PUBLIC PRESSURE ON COMPANIES AND POLITICIANS DOESN’T WORK, THEN WE’VE GOT A BIGGER PROBLEM, RIGHT? THEN WE’RE SAYING OUR WHOLE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS DOESN’T WORK. SO I THINK THAT PEOPLE NEED TO TRY.>>Ian: SO YOU’RE OPTIMISTIC. I’M SENSING SOME OPTIMISM HERE.>>I HAVE TO BE OPTIMISTIC. IF I’M NOT OPTIMISTIC WE’RE HEADING INTO A REALLY TERRIBLE PLACE. HAVE YOU SEEN THE MOVIE “WALLY”?>>Ian: NO.>>SO IN “WALLY” YOU HAVE A ROBOT THAT GETS SENT TO EARTH, IT’S A PIXAR MOVIE, AND EARTH IS DESTROYED BECAUSE OF CLIMATE CHANGE. AND ALL OF THESE PEOPLE NOW LIVE IN SPACESHIPS AND THESE CUSTOMIZED ENTERTAINMENT PODS AND YOU SORT OF HAVE BLOB-LIKE HUMANS THAT HAVE BECOME INFANTILIZED BECAUSE COMPUTERS JUST SHOW THEM STUFF ALL DAY.>>PICK A PLACE.>>LOOK, TIRED…>>AND I WORRY THAT’S OUR FUTURE. THAT WE HAVE EVISCERATED THE ENVIRONMENT AND WE HAVE COMPLETELY INFANTILIZED HUMANS.>>Ian: NOW YOU DON’T SOUND OPTIMISTIC.>>WHAT I’M SAYING IS THAT AS CUTE AS A MOVIE THAT “WALLY” IS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, IS THAT THE FUTURE THAT WE WANT? SO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND GO, IF WE DON’T WANT THAT, IF YOU DON’T WANT YOUR CHILDREN OR GRANDCHILDREN TO LIVE IN THAT KIND OF AN ENVIRONMENT YOU’VE GOT TO SPEAK UP. BECAUSE IT’S THE ONLY THING THAT YOU CAN DO, RIGHT? I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE UNREASONABLE TO SAY THAT PEOPLE SHOULD STOP USING ALL FACEBOOK, INSTAGRAM, GOOGLE, WHATEVER SERVICES, BECAUSE IT’S GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE TO BE A FUNCTIONING PERSON IN MODERN SOCIETY. SO WE’VE GOT TO PUT PUBLIC PRESSURE AND CHANGE THE ACTUAL WAY THAT WE TALK ABOUT THESE PLATFORMS. IT’S NOT THESE AMAZING THINGS THAT ACTUALLY WITH A MORE SKEPTICAL EYE AND SAY, ACTUALLY, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO, WHAT ARE YOU PLANNING ON DOING FIVE YEARS FROM NOW. WHY ARE YOU TAKING OUT ALL OF THESE PATENTS? BUT THIS IS THE BRILLIANT THING ABOUT A DEMOCRACY, IF PEOPLE MOBILIZE AND PUT PRESSURE ON POLITICIANS THEY EVENTUALLY WILL RESPOND. IT’S HOW THE CIVIL RIGHT MOVEMENT WORKS AND A LOT OF SOCIAL CHANGE WORKS. SO IT CAN BE AS SIMPLE AS CALLING UP YOUR M.P.>>Ian: OKAY, YOU SOUND OPTIMISTIC AGAIN AND YOU ALSO SOUND FASCINATING. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. FANTASTIC.>>SURE.>>Andrew: JUST AHEAD…>>>THE ROBOT REVOLUTION. THEY’VE JUMPED FROM THE ASSEMBLY LINE TO THE COFFEE LINE.>>THEY HAVE THE BASIC FUNCTIONALITY OF MAKING DRINKS THAT IS DONE BY A ROBOT. SO THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES IT MORE ECONOMICAL TO SCALE REALLY QUICKLY.>>Andrew: COULD YOU BE UNEMPLOYED BY A DROID? BUT FIRST… (*)>>”IN CASE YOU MISSED IT,” SHOCK IN THE NFL AFTER STAR INDIANAPOLIS COLTS’ QUARTERBACK ANDREW LUCK SUDDENLY ANNOUNCED HE’S RETIRING. FANS DID NOT TAKE IT WELL.>>AND NOW YOU’RE STARTING TO HEAR THE REACTION OF SOME OF THE FANS. IT’S ALMOST TO THE LEVEL THAT SOME OF THESE FANS ARE BOOING.>>Andrew: A BIT ABOUT LUCK. HE WAS DRAFTED FIRST OVERALL JUST SEVEN YEARS AGO. SOME CALLED HIM A GENERATIONAL QUARTERBACK. BUT THOSE BOOS. AND NOW THE CAP ON A CAREER CUT SHORT.>>YEAH, IT HURT, I’LL BE HONEST, IT HURT.>>Andrew: JUST ANOTHER LAYER TO HIS PAIN. THE 29-YEAR-OLD HAS BEEN DEALING WITH INJURIES FOR YEARS. HIS SHOULDER, HIS LEG, A CONCUSSION. EVEN A LACERATED KIDNEY. THE LIST GOES ON. LUCK’S EXPLANATION FOR LEAVING GOT EMOTIONAL.>>IT’S TAKEN MY JOY OF THIS GAME AWAY. SORRY.>>THE GUYS HAVE BEEN HEALTHY AND RETIRED EARLY AND NOT BECAUSE THEY WERE HURT BUT BECAUSE IT’S A MATTER OF PREVENTATIVE CARE.>>Andrew: SPORTSWRITER DREW CAREY SAYS IT’S NOT THE INJURIES TO BLAME, IT’S THE LEAGUE. AND IT’S RAISING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE BRUTALITY OF THE GAME.>>EVEN THOUGH THE NFL HAS ACKNOWLEDGED FAR, FAR TOO LEFT THE DAMAGING EFFECTS OF THE SPORT, THEY AREN’T GOING TO INHERENTLY ALTER THE INHERENT VIOLENCE OF THE SPORT. THE PLAYERS KNOW THAT.>>Andrew: SO WHAT COULD LUCK’S RETIREMENT MEAN FOR THE FUTURE OF FOOTBALL?>>IT WILL BECOME MORE ACCEPTABLE FOR MORE PLAYERS TO WALK AWAY. THEY’RE NOT GOING TO STOP THE TALENT POOL FROM DRAINING AND IT WILL MAKE FOR A CRUMMY>>Andrew: WELL, THEY MAY LOOK LIKE THEY BELONG TO THE JETSONS BUT THE LATEST GENERATION OF ROBOTS CAN FREE YOU FROM THE MUNDANE. AND THEY’RE FRIENDLY AND EFFICIENT AND GETTING SMARTER. BUT AS KIM BRUNHUBER SHOWED US A FEW MONTHS AGO THE CONSEQUENCES CAN BE HARD TO PREDICT. WHO LOSES JOBS AND WHICH INDUSTRIES ARE VULNERABLE WHEN EMPLOYERS GO AUTOMATED?>>Reporter: AT THIS LOS ANGELES HOTEL A GUEST JUST CALLED FOR ROOM SERVICE. SHE WANTS A GINGER ALE. SO THE FRONT DESK CLERK SUMMONS THE BELL HOP, WALLY. AT ONLY 3 FEET TALL, HE’S A MODEL EMPLOYEE. WORKS 24/7 WITH NO BREAKS FOR FREE. WALLY IS, OF COURSE, A ROBOT. HE’S PROGRAMMED TO INTERACT WITH GUESTS AND DELIVER THINGS TO ROOMS.>>HI, WALLY.>>Reporter: LATUSHA MCDOWELL SAYS THAT IT’S LIKE HAVING R2D2 SHOW UP AT YOUR DOOR AND HE DOESN’T EXPECT A TIP. WHAT DO YOU THINK?>>THIS IS VERY COOL. I LOVE IT. YAY!>>Reporter: WALLY IS A SERVICE ROBOT, LOOSELY DEFINED AS A ROBOT THAT PERFORMS USEFUL TASKS FOR HUMANS IN A NON-INDUSTRIAL SETTING LIKE A HOME OR A STORE. A RECENT STUDY BY A WASHINGTON THINK TANK SUGGESTED AUTOMATION WILL THREATEN A QUARTER OF U.S. JOBS. THIS HAS MANY WORKERS WONDERING WILL A ROBOT REPLACEMENT BE COMING FOR THEM.>>AND YOU WOULD THINK BECAUSE THE ROBOT WOULD BE CHEAPER BUT THE DRINKS ARE TWICE AS EXPENSIVE.>>Reporter: IF YOU WERE A FAN OF “THE TOM GREEN SHOW” YOU MIGHT RECOGNIZE GREEN’S FORMER SIDEKICK AND NOW WITH AN OTTAWA-BASED I.T. COMPANY. HE AND A COUPLE COLLEAGUES CAME TO THIS LAS VEGAS BAR FOR A DRINK. HERE AT THE TIPSY ROBOT THE TWO BARTENDERS CAN’T LISTEN TO YOUR TROUBLES BUT THEY WILL MIX YOUR DRINK IN 90 SECONDS OR LESS.>>CHEERS, EVERYONE, TO THE FUTURE OF ROBOT DRINKS.>>Reporter: BUT SEEING THIS TECHNOLOGY AT WORK FOR THE FIRST TIME, LEDREW FEARS THAT THE FUTURE IS BLEAK FOR MANY IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY.>>IF YOU’RE IN THE BARTENDING INDUSTRY, LOOK OUT.>>Reporter: THE BAR’S GENERAL MANAGER SAYS THAT HUMAN BARTENDERS NEED NOT WORRY. THIS ROBOT IS NOT A THREAT.>>HE NOT GOING TO TAKE JOBS BECAUSE THEY CANNOT STILL WORK WITHOUT HUMANS. WE STILL NEED THE HUMANS TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING OKAY.>>Reporter: FOR INSTANCE, BARTENDERS NEED HUMANS TO CHANGE THEIR BOTTLES, BUT ALREADY THE COMPANY IS WORKING ON A NEW MODEL THAT CAN SOLVE MANY OF THESE CHALLENGES. AND THESE RAPID ADVANCES IN ROBOTIC TECHNOLOGY COULD HAVE PROFOUND IMPLICATIONS FOR THE LABOUR FORCE.>>SOME PEOPLE SAY THIS IS A BIT LIKE WALKING A DOG.>>Reporter: DAVID CRAWLY IS THE FOUNDER OF A ROBOTIC COMPANY THAT DESIGNS MAGME.>>IT’S LIKE A HUMAN BRAIN. FIND PERSON. AND IT JUST FOUND AND YOU IS DRIVING UP TO YOU.>>Reporter: THIS ROBOT IS LIKE A BUILDING BLOCK THAT CAN BE EASILY BE MODIFIED TO DO DIFFERENT JOBS. A ROBOTIC PORTER, FOR INSTANCE. OR A ROBOTIC COCKTAIL WAITER. WALLY SAYS THAT THE TECHNOLOGY IS ADVANCING SO QUICKLY THAT ROBOTS COULD EVENTUALLY BE DOING A LOT OF WORK THAT CANADIANS ARE DOING NOW.>>AS A ROBOTICIST, THAT WOULD BE MY WILDEST FANTASY.>>Reporter: YOU’RE ROOTING FOR THE ROBOT?>>ROOTING FOR THE ROBOT, RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU’RE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER AND THEY’RE ABLE TO INTERACT WITH OBJECTS, DO THE SORTS OF THINGS THAT HUMANS CAN DO AND, YEAH, THAT WILL DISPLAY WORK. YOU KNOW, RECEPTIONISTS, SECRETARIES, PEOPLE THAT DO THINGS IN OFFICES ARE GOING TO BE THE NEXT AREA THAT I THINK THAT ROBOTS WILL DISPLACE.>>Reporter: ON A STREET CORNER IN SAN FRANCISCO, CAFÉ X, THE ONLY COFFEE SHOP IN AMERICA RUN BY A ROBOT. IT’S A VERY FRIENDLY ROBOT?>>IT HAS LIKE SEVERAL DIFFERENT DANCE ROUTINES.>>Reporter: THE ROBOT’S YOUNG INVENTOR SAYS THAT EMPLOYEES CAN FOCUS ON CUSTOMERS INSTEAD OF THE BORING TASK OF ACTUALLY MAKING THE COFFEE. BUT IN AN UNUSUALLY FRANK ADMISSION, HE CONCEDES BY USING ROBOTS THAT THE BUSINESS IS ABLE TO REDUCE ONE OF ITS HIGHEST COSTS.>>CERTAINLY, IT GIVES US THE FLEXIBILITY TO SORT OF ADJUST THE AMOUNT OF LABOUR THAT WE HAVE ON-SITE BECAUSE THE BASIC FUNCTIONALITY OF MAKING DRINKS IS DONE BY A ROBOT. SO THAT IS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKES IT MORE ECONOMICAL FOR US TO LIKE SCALE REALLY QUICKLY.>>Reporter: RESEARCHERS SUGGEST THAT IN 20 YEARS ROUGHLY 90% OF JOBS IN THE FOOD PREPARATION INDUSTRY COULD BE DONE BY ROBOTS. IS THIS THE FUTURE?>>I THINK THAT IT’S PRETTY OBVIOUS IT IS, YEAH.>>Reporter: BACK AT THIS LOS ANGELES HOTEL, WALLY HAS FINISHED HIS DELIVERY.>>YOU NEED ANYTHING IN YOUR ROOM IT WILL BRING IT TO YOU.>>Reporter: RIGHT NOW WALLY AND MANY OTHER SERVICE ROBOTS AREN’T ACTUALLY VITAL TO THE BOTTOM LINE, MORE LIKE A NOVELTY TO DRAW CUSTOMERS. CHANCES ARE THAT YOU WILL EVENTUALLY HAVE A ROBOTIC COLLEAGUE AT WORK BUT IT’S UNLIKELY THAT YOU WILL ACTUALLY BE REPLACED ANYTIME SOON. AFTER ALL, CUSTOMERS STILL NEED HUMAN INTERACTION AND ROBOTS STILL NEED US — FOR NOW. KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, LOS ANGELES.>>Andrew: OKAY. JUST AHEAD…>>TORONTO’S FAN EXPO KNOWN FOR ITS EXTRAVAGANT COSTUMES BUT WHO YOU GOING TO CALL WHEN THAT CAPE SUDDENLY RIPS?>>SO MANY POSITIVE PEOPLE WITH SUCH AMAZING ARTISTIC SKILLS. AND THEY HAVE PUT THOSE SKILLS INTO BEAUTIFUL THINGS.>>Andrew: WHEN YOUR SUPER POWER IS SEWING. OUR “MOMENT” IS NEXT. (*)>>Andrew: IT IS FAN EXPO WEEKEND IN TORONTO AND THAT MEANS AMAZING PEOPLE WATCHING. LOTS OF FOLKS ARE DECKED OUT IN ELABORATE COSTUMES AND PAYING HOMAGE TO VIDEO GAMES, COMICS, MOVIES. THEY ARE OUT IN FULL FORCE DOWNTOWN. AND APPRECIATE THE FACT THAT THESE COSTUMES, THEY CAN TAKE DAYS, WEEKS OR EVEN MONTHS TO GET READY. AND YET AFTER EVEN ALL OF THAT EFFORT, THE OCCASIONAL WARDROBE MALFUNCTION CAN STILL HAPPEN. AND ENTER WAYNE DEU, A SELF-DESCRIBED COSTUME MEDIC AND HE’S ARMED WITH A GLUE GUN AND DUCT TAPE AND OTHER MENDING TOOLS. HE TAKES CALLS FROM DISTRESSED COS PLAYERS, AND RUSHING TO HELP AND HIS CRAFT IS TONIGHT’S “MOMENT.”>>MY RIGHT ARM HERE NEEDS TO BE HERE. IT CAME OFF HERE AND DO YOU HAVE A WIPE OR SOMETHING?>>YES, I DO.>>AWESOME, THANK YOU.>>I GOT THIS BY SOMEONE WHO LENGTH ME THIS, AND THAT INSPIRED ME TO DO THIS FOR THE COS CONVENTION. I CAN COME UP AND MEET YOU, OKAY? HOW LONG DO YOU WANT IT?>>JUST DOWN TO THERE.>>TO SEE THIS, WHEN THEY CAN COME TO YOU AND HAVE FUN ON THE COS FLOOR AND TO SHOW OFF AT COS PLAY, IT’S STILL NICE. I GUESS THAT IT’S A CANADIAN THING TO SAY. THERE’S SO MANY POSITIVE PEOPLE WITH SUCH AMAZING ARTISTIC SKILLS. AND THEY BRING THOSE SKILLS INTO BEAUTIFUL THINGS AND IT’S GREAT TO SEE A FAVOURITE CHARACTER COME TO LIFE.>>Andrew: YOU KNOW WHAT, I’M WITH WAYNE 100%. I KNOW THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO TURN THEIR NOSES UP AT COS PLAYERS AND THEY THINK THAT IT’S SILLY. BUT, HEY, I THINK THAT IT IS FUN, IT IS CREATIVE. AND ANYONE WHO HAS FUN HELPING OTHER PEOPLE HAVE FUN, THEY’RE OKAY IN MY BOOK. SO WAYNE DUE, KEEP DOING WHAT YOU DO.>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS SUNDAY, AUGUST 25th.

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